Women Only Spaces
I used to be Pagan, and I frequently encountered women-only spaces, such as rituals, classes, and support groups that only permitted women to attend. I hated these and eventually stopped going to any. I feel very uncomfortable with the idea that there are some areas where it’s valuable to exclude half the population. I question the idea that there are some topics where women can only feel “safe” without the presence of men. I don’t mean that I doubt that some women can only feel safe this way. I just question whether that’s a fear that should be coddled and left unquestioned.
I’m aware that some rape-crisis centers and shelters are only open to women, both for employees and for people seeking their services. While this idea is often assumed to be beyond reproach, I still think it brings up troubling aspects. Some shelters prevent women from bringing male children over a certain age, for example. This can lead women to have to choose between getting protection for themselves and caring for their children. The woman-only policy ignores the possibility that women can be violent to women, perhaps leading to a false sense of security.
Also, I have never quite understood the apparent tendency of rape and domestic violence victims to extrapolate their experience to a fear of men. Men are not violent. Men are not rapists. Some men are violent and some men are rapists. Most rapists are men. But these are aberrant crimes, not a pervasive, inherent behavior in the entire male population. If I were to be the victim of a violent crime at the hands of a man, I wonder if it might not be helpful to have immediate access to caring, supportive men. Still, I can only imagine myself as a victim of a violent crime and can only speculate as to my reaction to a situation like that. There’s no denying that many women do develop a general fear of men, and they wish their support resources to be women only.
Another wrinkle is developing, though.
A rape and domestic violence shelter in Vancouver has won through the courts (all the way to the Canada Supreme Court, which refused to hear the case) the right to exclude trans women from their shelter. The case was brought by Kimberly Nixon, a trans women who was refused employment. The center, called Rape Relief, maintains that they wish to provide “women only” space. Their position makes it clear that they do not consider trans women to be women at all. This turns their “women only” space into “some women only” or “only people who are women enough“. Does that mean that butch women are not allowed since they might remind someone of a man? Does it mean that a trans man would be allowed?
Many people have been following this case primarily for the interest in trans rights and trans discrimination. It certainly brings up a lot of questions and concerns on that front. I’m looking at it from the perspective of limiting access to your space in the first place.
I have a long-standing gripe with the concept of “trigger warnings”, the idea that you should warn people before mentioning something that might trigger psychological distress. I find it personally irritating to be expected to babysit my own words or behavior by guessing what might and might not be upsetting to others. I also wonder about the wisdom in seeking to remove from your sight the things that bother you.
When you are talking about personal, intimate spaces, limiting your exposure to unwanted elements is easier and not usually problematic. If I only want to hang out with women or men or old people or people of my own race or political party or whatever, that’s do-able and not even very noticeable. In the aftermath of a violent crime, if I seek out my women friends because I want female comfort, this, too, is hard to critique.
The problem comes when we’re talking about large-scale organizations that serve “the public”. The Boy Scouts are an example of this - wanting to include “everyone”, except for girls, homosexuals, and atheists. Women’s shelters fall into the same problem. We would likely complain if an abuse shelter wanted to limit themselves to a certain race or a certain age demographic or a certain weight limit. That they limit themselves to one gender seems to generally go unchallenged. Now, though, comes to the forefront the idea that even gender is not an easily partitioned concept.
Rather than argue about which people are “true women” or which women are “women enough”, I think the entire topic of delegating through policy who is eligible for your help or not is worth reconsidering.


This post has 9 comments
May 8th, 2009
This is an interesting topic, for me. I made a post about it ages ago, but I’d have no idea how to go about finding it now:) I disliked the same things about women only pagan events. I also agree with the rest of your post about rape crisis center and OMG hate trigger words. A couple of years ago, though, I realized I spent alot of time railing against anything “women only” for someone who was so happy working in birth and breastfeeding. Red tents come to mind. Those are some of the most powerful events I’ve ever experienced. I don’t see them as exclusive, but maybe they are. I see them as a powerful place, filled with shared experiences and commonalities, where we can learn from each other. It feels less snobby and more simply practical. It probably also helps that there’s not the same level of disdain for men I’ve often found in the pagan community generally.
May 13th, 2009
EXCELLENT essay. I couldn’t agree more. I work in an almost all-male environment, and I cannot tell you how much it sucks when I hear them planning “Guy’s weekend at the cottage” or some such crap that I’m excluded from SOLEY because I don’t have the proper genitalia. I boycott all gendered events under all circumstances, and go so far as to check ‘Mr’ on forms where I have an option, because I love fucking with the gender binary and if I have to pick one, I’ll pick the one that will make you ask questions why it’s importanat to know my gender at all. Ahem.
May 13th, 2009
I love the idea of checking mr/male on forms!
May 13th, 2009
OMG this is a good story … my friend is a junior kindergarten teacher, very open to gender issues. One day I was fixing the computer in her classroom, and she introduced me to her class. Said, “Boys and Girls (never mind that that is sooooooooo gendered, but anyhow… LOL) I’d like to introduce you to my friend, Ms Pavlov.” I leaned into her, and said, actually, I’m not Ms Pavlov, I’m Mr. Pavlov.” She blinked a couple of times, and then her face lit up, and she said, “OH! Okay, I get it! Kids, this is my friend, Mr. Pavlov”.
I laughed ALL DAY after that. I love that she took my request seriously and I love that the kids couldn’t possibly care less what I was called… they just wanted to know what to call me.
Female titles are ALL about marital status, and it’s nobody’s business what my marital status is. There’s only the one male title, so I’ll that one, thank you very much, as my gender is irrelevant for the most part in day to day activities.
Keep writing, I love your blog.
May 13th, 2009
I love that story. It’s so true that kids don’t really care. I, too, hate that female titles are related to marital status/age, yet the male title is the same regardless of age or martial status. Very annoying. It’s long past time for that idea to expire.
August 11th, 2009
I agree that any “women born women only” policies are anti-trans and insulting.
But I find a lot of value in women only spaces. From the time women are born they are told that, because of their gender, they are other. Men are the norm and women are other. Women are a footnote in male focused history.
Women are taught to be afraid as they walk down the streets at night. Or stay at home alone, or get in their car in a dark parking garage.
Women face the real threat of rape and live every day with this fear.
And this is something that breaks through all boundaries: every race, every class, every religion… all have men and women living closely together with women being taught that they are other.
Women only spaces are meant to empower women. Give them a sense of strength and safety. To work through the effects patriarchy has had on them. And I respect their desire to do that.
Anyway, how can I, as a person privileged by patriarchy, tell them what they want or need to work through their oppression?
Additionally, your comment, “I find it personally irritating to be expected to babysit my own words or behavior by guessing what might and might not be upsetting to others.” reeks of privilege. Some people have been raped or abused and are still sensitive to all issues surrounding that. A simple “this could be triggering” can warn them to stop reading/leave the room/whatever they need to keep themselves safe.
Who am I to tell them what they should or shouldn’t do to hear and that I shouldn’t have to be sensitive to their needs?
August 11th, 2009
@Safe Space - I can’t disagree with you that many women find value in women only spaces. I primarily meant to suggest that it’s a problematic policy for some arenas and worth a second glance.
As far as the trigger warning thing, I couldn’t philosophically disagree with you more. If it were just the topic of rape that was “triggering”, perhaps that would be one thing. There are countless topics that could possibly trigger someone, however - it just isn’t a good system to leave it to the speaker/writer to guess about the troubling topics of all the listeners/readers. Me speaking my thoughts isn’t telling them what they should or shouldn’t hear. It’s just me doing my thing, and it’s the listener/reader’s job to moderate their own experience. (Assuming they’re not a captive audience, but my blog readers could hardly be described as such.)
I do find it interesting that you blame this attitude of mine on privilege. I’m fairly recent to the concept of privilege, and am open to being wrong and changing my mind. I wonder if you would elaborate on what you mean by my thinking on this being privileged.
October 7th, 2009
Great post Issa.
As someone who is in the specific demographic that ‘trigger warnings’ are meant to be potentially useful for, I have to say that I personally don’t need them, nor do I expect them.
Basically, the kind of blogs I (often) read are the kind that would be most likely to mention ‘triggering’ things, and they’re also the ones that will use warnings. I know that I may encounter those things there, so I read those blogs when I feel like dealing with those things. But ANYTHING can be triggering, not just explicit or graphic mentions of xyz. For instance, two recent triggers for me were hearing the sound of a possum and smelling something at the mall.
Maybe trigger warnings are useful to some, but not to me.
In terms of all female space, I’ve only just recently felt the need for it not because I think all men are dangerous, but just…. because I’ve been fighting certain battles too hard, and want a place where I don’t have to be hypervigilant about those battles. But that doesn’t have to be mandated space, it could be a get-together with female friends, in my home. But still, a distinct lack of female energy in my life makes me crave these spaces.
As for excluding trans women from shelters, that’s just fucked. Unless they have specifically trans shelters. Even then. I guess it’s not black and white, but it seems crap to me because I imagine it leaves them with no options, which isn’t right at all. Everyone needs sanctuary.
I love the idea of calling myself Mr. I’ve been Ms for as long as I can remember, but it’s time to ratchet up the gender-fuckery I think.
October 15th, 2009
“it’s time to ratchet up the gender-fuckery I think.”
That it is. I like checking Dr., Rev. or Rabbi if given the option. Gender-indeterminate, AND fucks with the privilege associated with being an “expert” in particular superstitions. Ms. undoubtedly seemed like a good idea but is still indirectly associated with one’s marital status by way of being an overt refusal to divulge same. It would have to replace Mrs. and Miss entirely to approximate the functionality of Mr.
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